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| <g id="a_node2"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060075421706410" xlink:title="Gregory\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:11\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech No, the fact that\nmoderation is fully decentralized,\nand I\'d say entirely optional,\nis a feature, not a bug. There\'s\nno need to fix it. There is a\nneed for robust spam filters\nthough because that problem\nis only a matter of time."> | |
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| <g id="a_node19"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060158638272963" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:33\n--------------------------------\n@grishka in my idea moderation\nis still fully decentralized but\nit becomes part of the fabric\nof Fediverse itself, instead of\nbeing an instance by instance\napp-specific thing (an app can of\ncourse still ignore implementing\nit, choose their own way).\n\nAlso there would be more visibility\nto this time-consuming and\nunder-appreciated job."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="105.5" y="-2644.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@grishka in my idea moderation</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node3"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062432964114317" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:11\n--------------------------------\n@ArneBab @tio @activitypub\n\nAre you on Lemmy, or SocialHub?\nWould be great to collect the\ninfo there, in more forum-like\nconversation threads."> | |
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| <g id="a_node14"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062468471106371" xlink:title="@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:20\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @tio @activitypub I’m\nnot there, no. Feel free to copy\nover my posts here. I hope they\nhelp people tackle these issues,\nbecause global-scale moderation\nwithout centralized control is one\nof the huge tasks ahead of us —\na task that was mostly ignored in\nthe Clearnet (there were underpaid\nmoderators to burn out after all)\nbut tackled within the Freenet\nProject more than a decade ago.\n\nIf people have questions about the\nmath for scaling, it would be great\nif you could point them to me."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1700.5" y="-543.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">because global-scale moderation</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node4"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062067166176486" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 05:38\n--------------------------------\n@tio @ged @activitypub @liaizon\n@grishka @maikek @SocialCoop\n\nIn addition to what others are\nsaying, there\'s also the perspective\nof the instance owner. Say, I\nhave a fedi server with spare\ncapacity. Out of the kindness of\nmy heart I open it to others.\n\nAm I justified to allow only people\nthat adhere to my CoC? I think I\nam. That automatically gives me the\nburden to monitor and moderate,\nwhich grows with no. of users.\n\nI admire your open-minded\nadmin approach, but it\nis not for everyone."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-2018.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">am. That automatically gives me the</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-2003.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">burden to monitor and moderate,</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-1988.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">which grows with no. of users.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-1957.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">I admire your open-minded</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-1942.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">admin approach, but it</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node31"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062121989067389" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 05:52\n--------------------------------\n@tio @ged @activitypub @liaizon\n@grishka @maikek @SocialCoop\n\nIt\'s not censorship that easily,\nesp. if ppl have the choice to go\nelsewhere to raise their voice,\nstill part of the #fediverse\n\nCompare to real-world.. Say, I\norganized an interest group talking\nabout dogs, and many non-members\nfollowing + reacting to discussion.\n\nSuddenly some guys join and start\npreaching a religious suicide cult.\nOr maybe just \'cats are better\'.\nAs organizer I\'d say "Get lost,\npreach somewhere else". Censorship?"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-1733.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 05:52</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node5"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062415134776786" xlink:title="@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:06\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @tio @activitypub\n(the prototype implementation at\nthe end is built in a way that\nwould be suitable for federation,\nbecause it can work with a shared\ndatabase that only has different\nentry points to get your personal\nview of the trust-graph. It\nis far from finished, though)"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1826.5" y="-1310.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 07:06</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node6"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060176092871117" xlink:title="⚪ Holly Lotor\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:37\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech I typed up my\nthoughts and then I read your\nblog post, I should\'ve done that\nthe other way around, hahah.\n\nI don\'t know about the logistics\nof delegating moderation services\n- I think it\'s best if users just\nchoose a server with trustworthy\nmoderation, and migrate if that\nmoderation proves to be bad or\notherwise insufficient - but I\ndo largely think that federating\nmoderation actions to some\nextent would be a good thing.\n\nI feel like there\'s not enough\ninformation easily and readily\naccessible to an admin about the\ninstances that their server talks\nto. Being able to see from a glance\nwhich instances I trust block a\ngiven server (or explicitly allow,\nin the case of allowlists), maybe\na sampling of a server\'s posts\nas well as the server\'s age and\nterms of use, and notifications\nfor when an instance discovers\na new server or an instance I\ntrust has just blocked a server,\nwould make federation a much more\ncomfortable experience I feel."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3352.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@[email protected]</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3337.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-13 21:37</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3322.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">--------------------------------</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3307.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@humanetech I typed up my</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3262.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">the other way around, hahah.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3231.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">I don't know about the logistics</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3201.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">- I think it's best if users just</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3096.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">extent would be a good thing.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3065.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">I feel like there's not enough</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3050.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">information easily and readily</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3035.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">accessible to an admin about the</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="333.5" y="-3005.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">to. Being able to see from a glance</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node7"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062410567784465" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:05\n--------------------------------\n@holly yes exactly. The third\nparagraph is exactly the idea of\nthe Delegating Moderation part\nof the Lemmy post.. easing the\nburden, by providing good metrics.\n\nSo a new server comes online, is\ndetected, and immediately all\nacross the fedi people start\nblocking accounts, including your\nown users. It is probably worth\ngiving some attention to. You see\nthe block count increase, and can\nopen the list to see reasons. Then\nyou make an informed decision."> | |
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| <g id="a_node8"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060094699222868" xlink:title="Maike\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:16\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech you mean a mod team with\nsome mods available all the time to\nfedizens having an issue? How should\nthey be chosen, by collective vote?\nWhat rights should they have and how\nwould their actions be controlled\n(quis custodiet ipsos custodes)?"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="586.5" y="-3149.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-13 21:16</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="586.5" y="-3134.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">--------------------------------</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="586.5" y="-3059.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">What rights should they have and how</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="586.5" y="-3029.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">(quis custodiet ipsos custodes)?</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node38"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060141096618069" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:28\n--------------------------------\n@maikek no, this is not\nexactly what I mean.\n\nIn Delegated Moderation a mod of\nInstance X might be trusted to\ndo work for Instance Y and their\nhelp can be invoked when needed.\n\nIn Delegation-as-a-Service any\nfedizen can offer to do moderation\nwork. It is competely decoupled\nfrom instances. But in this model\nyou would need some mechanism to\nknow whether you can trust someone\noffering their help. A simple\n"I vouch for this mod" given\nby fedizens, reputation system\nmight do, at the start.. dunno."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="577.5" y="-2720.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-13 21:28</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="577.5" y="-2690.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@maikek no, this is not</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="577.5" y="-2675.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">exactly what I mean.</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="577.5" y="-2538.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">work. It is competely decoupled</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="577.5" y="-2523.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">from instances. But in this model</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="577.5" y="-2478.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">offering their help. A simple</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="577.5" y="-2433.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">might do, at the start.. dunno.</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node10"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060982239303650" xlink:title="Tio\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 01:02\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @danielhglus @KelsonV\n\nConsider someone who is using\nyour server to send repeated\ninsults, unwanted sexual\nadvances, death threats, etc.\nto multiple other people.\n\nI would assume such situations would\nbe rare and is not worth sacrificing\nthe freedom of expression overall.\nIn my view at least. As said, emails\ncan also be abused. And on the\nfediverse, if I block user X for\nbeing so "evil", then user X can\nmake an account on another instance\nand keep on abusing people. The\nwhack-a-mole game begins and I do\nnot think we will win. But if it is\neasy for people to block others and\napply all kinds of filters, then\nsuch situations should diminish."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-641.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@humanetech @danielhglus @KelsonV</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-610.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Consider someone who is using</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-489.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">the freedom of expression overall.</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node11"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106061840868704586" xlink:title="Zap\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 04:40\n--------------------------------\nYou mean like Zap? We\'ve had this\nfor a few years now, including\nthe delegated moderators (which\nwe\'ve had much, much longer)...\nit doesn\'t require any extensions\nto activitypub, but it\'s nice to\nprovide a notice that posts/comments\nmight not show up immediately.\n\nWe used to have a rating service\nbut it had some issues and\nwe\'ll have to revisit that. For\nnow we just let you figure out\nwho you think you can trust."> | |
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| <g id="a_node36"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062002749858866" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 05:22\n--------------------------------\n@zap that is very interesting and\nI didn\'t know that. Zap/zot are\ndoing many great things. Is there\ndocumentation to refer to? I\'d like\nto add to the Lemmy discussion."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1045.5" y="-2591.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@zap that is very interesting and</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node12"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062301865869998" xlink:title="Zap\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 06:38\n--------------------------------\nModeration is an option selected by\nthe channel owner. The site admin\nis not involved. You can moderate\neverybody, anybody, or nobody. You\ncan also grant admin access for\nyour channel and content to anybody\nyou wish. On our own platform\nthis is automatic and connecting\nfrom elsewhere to your site as\nchannel admin doesn\'t require\nany authentication interaction.\nThere\'s an app called \'Guest Pass\'\nif you want to give admin rights\nover your content to somebody on\nMastodon (for instance) or just\nsomebody with an email address.\n\nThere\'s also a quick configuration\nfor moderated public groups\nsince this is the most popular\nuse case. In this configuration\neverybody that joins the\ngroup is moderated by default\nuntil/unless you decide otherwise.\n\nSomewhere there\'s also a tool for\nsending the incoming moderation\nnotifications to any email address\nor list of addresses you choose. But\ndarned if I can find it right now."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2282.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Moderation is an option selected by</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2192.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">you wish. On our own platform</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2177.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">this is automatic and connecting</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2162.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">from elsewhere to your site as</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2147.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">channel admin doesn't require</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2132.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">any authentication interaction.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2117.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">There's an app called 'Guest Pass'</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2102.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">if you want to give admin rights</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2087.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">over your content to somebody on</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2072.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Mastodon (for instance) or just</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2057.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">somebody with an email address.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2026.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">There's also a quick configuration</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-2011.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">for moderated public groups</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1996.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">since this is the most popular</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1981.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">use case. In this configuration</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1966.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">everybody that joins the</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1936.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">until/unless you decide otherwise.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1905.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Somewhere there's also a tool for</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1890.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">sending the incoming moderation</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1860.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">or list of addresses you choose. But</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1010.5" y="-1845.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">darned if I can find it right now.</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node15"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062356987462065" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 06:52\n--------------------------------\n@zap I like this model, and it\nmakes total sense (though the admin\nshould have control of what channels\nare allowed, but probably is).\n\nNote that this also aligns with the\n"Community has no Boundary" paradigm\nI\'m discussing on #SocialHub where\ninstances are abstracted away,\nand communities are more like\nthe intricate social structures\nyou see in the real world:\n\nhttps://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/standardizing-on-a-common-community-domain-as-ap-extension/135\n3\n\nAnd can be extended\nwith e.g. Governance\nPolicies of various kinds:\n\nhttps://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/what-would-a-fediverse-governance-body-look-like/1497/47"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1771.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@[email protected]</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1756.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 06:52</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1726.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@zap I like this model, and it</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1681.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">are allowed, but probably is).</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1650.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Note that this also aligns with the</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1590.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">and communities are more like</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1560.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">you see in the real world:</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1529.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/standardizing-on-a-common-community-domain-as-ap-extension/135</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1453.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Policies of various kinds:</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="965.5" y="-1422.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/what-would-a-fediverse-governance-body-look-like/1497/47</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node13"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062349463178176" xlink:title="@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 06:50\n--------------------------------\n@tio @humanetech @activitypub\nThe challenge with moderation is\nthat disrupting communication\noften scales better than\nindividual blocking.\n\nIn the Freenet project (where\ncentralized moderation simply\nis no option) the answer was to\npropagate blocking between users\nin a transparent way. That way\nblocking disrupters scales better\nthan disrupting. For more info see:\nhttps://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/friendly-communication-with-anonymity"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2697.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 06:50</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2682.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">--------------------------------</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2667.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@tio @humanetech @activitypub</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2652.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">The challenge with moderation is</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2607.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">individual blocking.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2576.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">In the Freenet project (where</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2561.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">centralized moderation simply</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2546.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">is no option) the answer was to</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2516.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">in a transparent way. That way</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2486.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">than disrupting. For more info see:</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node28"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062388774882081" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:00\n--------------------------------\n@ArneBab @tio @activitypub\n\nYes, this is interesting, and\nI think it matches the first\npart of the the Lemmy post\nabout Federating Moderation.\n\nThis allows people to get insight\nin metrics surrounding moderation\naction, while you can still have\neach and every fedizen to make their\nown individual decision whether\nor not to take action themselves."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2185.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 07:00</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1825.5" y="-2124.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Yes, this is interesting, and</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node25"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062530102690277" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:36\n--------------------------------\n@ArneBab @tio @activitypub\n\nYou should have a look at the\nSocialHub topic. It contains\ntwo links to other topics\nwhere researchers - one being\n@robertwgehl - announce they\nare investigating Moderation in\ndecentralized (fedi) contexts.\n\nYour input may be invaluable to\nthem. Here\'s the #SocialHub link:\n\nhttps://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federated-moderation-towards-delegated-moderation/1580"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1700.5" y="-205.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@ArneBab @tio @activitypub</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1700.5" y="-174.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">You should have a look at the</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node16"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060687647970565" xlink:title="ged\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 23:47\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @activitypub @liaizon\n@grishka @maikek @tio The point with\nmoderation isn\'t to hide posts that\nyou dislike but to protect your\nusers from actively harmful people.\n\nSee @SocialCoop\'s code\nof conduct for example:\nhttps://wiki.social.coop/rules-and-bylaws/Code-of-conduct.html\n\n\n\n\n\nIt wouldn\'t make sense to\nargue about whether letting\nyour users being harassed or\nthreatened is good or not."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-2722.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-13 23:47</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-2692.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@humanetech @activitypub @liaizon</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-2677.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@grishka @maikek @tio The point with</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2254.5" y="-2601.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">See @SocialCoop's code</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node17"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062408177344337" xlink:title="@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:05\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @tio @activitypub\nIf you want to try this,\nthere are two steps: First\nthe current state in Freenet:\nhttps://github.com/xor-freenet/plugin-WebOfTrust/blob/master/developer-documentation/core-developers\n-manual/OadSFfF-version1.2-non-print-edition.pdf\nThen the optimizations needed so this\nscales to arbitrary size:\nhttps://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/deterministic-load-decentralized-spam-filter\nHere’s some data if you want to test\nalgorithms:\nhttps://figshare.com/articles/dataset/The_Freenet_social_trust_graph_extracted_from_the_Web_of_Trust\n/4725664\nAnd some starting code of a more generic\nprototype for faster testing:\nhttps://hg.sr.ht/~arnebab/wispwot/"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1826.5" y="-1499.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">And some starting code of a more generic</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node18"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062348281606001" xlink:title="pettter\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 06:49\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech I am not convinced\nserver-less identity is\nsomething that can be solved in\na reasonable way, honestly. Or\nat least, it will bring with it\nunavoidable problem such as it\nbeing impossible to do recovery.\nHumans and human judgement need\nto be in the loop at some point.\n\nFor federated moderation, I urge\nyou to have a look at the early\ndays of IRC, and what happened\nthere. @matro @activitypub @zap"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1335.5" y="-2192.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 06:49</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1335.5" y="-2162.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@humanetech I am not convinced</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1335.5" y="-1966.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">there. @matro @activitypub @zap</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node23"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062426620667809" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 07:09\n--------------------------------\n@pettter @matro @activitypub @zap\n\nYes you are right, similar\nresponses are on the thread, and..\n\n> Humans and human judgement need\nto be in the loop at some point.\n\n.. is something that need not be\ntaken away in any more federated\nmechanism. I think it very important\nto keep this human aspect.\n\nThis, btw, is a strong point of\nthe #fediverse where there\'s much\nmore moderators than in traditional\nsocial media (which requires\nalgorithms do the work, to scale\ntasks to billions of users)."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1396.5" y="-1741.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 07:09</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1396.5" y="-1711.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@pettter @matro @activitypub @zap</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1396.5" y="-1680.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Yes you are right, similar</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1396.5" y="-1634.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">> Humans and human judgement need</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node20"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106062327160023547" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 06:44\n--------------------------------\n@matro @activitypub\n\nYes, you are quite right, and it\nis an important topic. Tackling\nthe uses cases of decentralized\nidentity in proper open-standards\nbased ways is something that\nthe entire decentralization\nmovement is eagerly awaiting.\n\nThere\'s work in this area on\n#fediverse in @zap + #zot\n\nSee:\n\n> You have the right to a permanent\ninternet identity which is not\nassociated with what server you are\ncurrently using and cannot be taken\naway from you by anybody, ever.\n\nhttps://zotlabs.org/page/zot/zot+about"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1304.5" y="-2751.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 06:44</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1304.5" y="-2721.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@matro @activitypub</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1304.5" y="-2690.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Yes, you are quite right, and it</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1304.5" y="-2645.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">identity in proper open-standards</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="1304.5" y="-2630.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">based ways is something that</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node21"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060190856827312" xlink:title="Maike\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:41\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech so instance admins\nwould assign somebody out of a\npool of volunteers to help with\nmoderation and thus determine what\nrights these people should have\non that specific instance? Sounds\nfeasible to me. Some guidelines\nor code of conduct should exist\nbesides the reputation system."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="557.5" y="-2034.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">feasible to me. Some guidelines</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="557.5" y="-2004.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">besides the reputation system.</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node34"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060204841958717" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:44\n--------------------------------\n@maikek yes, that is the idea.\n\nFor an instance it\'d mean adhering\nto the Code of Conduct, but\n- as you say - probably also\nsome more specific moderation\nguidelines need to be adhered to."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="547.5" y="-1620.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@maikek yes, that is the idea.</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="547.5" y="-1589.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">For an instance it'd mean adhering</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node22"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060669934884309" xlink:title="Tio\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 23:42\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @danielhglus @KelsonV\n\nWell, it\'s still\nharassment the first time.\n\nTrue. That\'s how you detect it by\n"seeing" it. But I\'d much rather\nprefer to let the user have the\npower to block the harasser than me,\nthe instance owner, to do that. I\ncannot solve all of these disputes +\nas said above, it gives me too much\npower and I don\'t want to abuse it."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-1333.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-13 23:42</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-1272.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">Well, it's still</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-1226.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">True. That's how you detect it by</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node40"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060781779122051" xlink:title="KelsonV\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 00:11\n--------------------------------\n@tio @humanetech @activitypub\n@danielhglus You\'re\nassuming a 1-on-1 scenario.\n\nConsider someone who is using\nyour server to send repeated\ninsults, unwanted sexual advances,\ndeath threats, etc. to multiple\nother people. Or to reveal\nsomeone\'s private information.\nAs an admin, refusing to take\naction against a malicious user\nof your site puts the burden on\n*multiple* recipients of the\nabuse to deal with it themselves.\n\nThat\'s not humane."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-1032.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-14 00:11</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-1002.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@tio @humanetech @activitypub</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-987.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@danielhglus You're</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-972.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">assuming a 1-on-1 scenario.</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-851.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">As an admin, refusing to take</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-760.8" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">That's not humane.</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node24"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060502153833032" xlink:title="KelsonV\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 23:00\n--------------------------------\n@tio @humanetech @activitypub So\nif someone is using your instance\nto harass people on another\ninstance, you feel you shouldn\'t\ntake action because they\'re only\nharassing some people and not\nothers? Or are you using some other\ndefinition of moderation than I am?"> | |
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| <g id="a_node29"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060613825101381" xlink:title="Tio\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 23:28\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @KelsonV How can\nsome users harass others when\n"others" can block them?"> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2529.5" y="-2079.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@humanetech @KelsonV How can</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node35"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060658183839184" xlink:title="Tio\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 23:39\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @KelsonV Look at it\nthis way: I can get harassed over\nemail too. Anyone cans end me an\nemail. But I would not want gmail\nor any email provider to try and\n"defend" me against these harassers\nbecause I then put a lot of trust\ninto a few individuals to decide\nwhat is good or bad for me. I\nwould much rather prefer to have\ncontrol over this and mark as span\nany harassing email address so I\nblock them on my end. Like a spam\nfilter that I opt in to use and\ncan have control over its rules."> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2762.5" y="-2199.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">2021-04-13 23:39</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2762.5" y="-2169.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">@humanetech @KelsonV Look at it</text> | |
| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2762.5" y="-2154.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">this way: I can get harassed over</text> | |
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| <text text-anchor="middle" x="2762.5" y="-2124.3" font-family="Times,serif" font-size="14.00" fill="#000000">email. But I would not want gmail</text> | |
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| <g id="a_node26"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106061743975565811" xlink:title="൱αϯr๏\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-14 04:16\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @activitypub My first\nthought, beyond “this is a really\ninteresting and important topic to\ndiscuss!” is... there’s a really\nimportant missing prerequisite:\nfederated/decentralized\n_identities_.\n\nRight now, every individual actor\nis subservient to an instance.\nIf you delegate moderation to a\npool of off-instance actors, you\nalso de-facto grant powers to that\npool’s instance admins as well.\n\nAlso, individual attributes like\nreputation are extremely fragile\nw/o individual sovereignty."> | |
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| <g id="a_node27"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060610636555231" xlink:title="Sam\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 23:28\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech @activitypub I like this\nproposal, but applied on a user\nlevel instead of an instance level."> | |
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| <g id="a_node39"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060656014975284" xlink:title="Daniel Glus\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 23:39\n--------------------------------\n@tio @humanetech @activitypub\n@KelsonV Well, it\'s still\nharassment the first time."> | |
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| <g id="a_node30"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106059921340528929" xlink:title="Humane Tech Now\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 20:32\n--------------------------------\nHi #fediverse\n\nWanna brainstorm some what-ifs?\n\nFederated Moderation: What if\nModeration was an #activitypub\nextension and moderation\nactions would federate to ease\nthe life of mods + admins?\n\nDelegated Moderation: What\nif moderators weren\'t bound\nto instances, and could\njust jump in on another\ninstance to help do the work?\n\nModeration-as-a-Service: What if\nmods provided their services via\nfederated @activitypub models,\ngained trust and reputation\nbased on your feedback?\n\nhttps://lemmy.ml/post/60475"> | |
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| <g id="a_node41"><a xlink:href="https://mathstodon.xyz/web/statuses/106060225599361852" xlink:title="Tio\n@[email protected]\n2021-04-13 21:48\n--------------------------------\n@humanetech I think moderation is\na very bad idea overall. Control\nin users\' hands is a good idea\ntho. If some posts are "bad", they\nare so for some people and not\nfor others. Users already have\nthe ability to ignore/block such\nusers/content. The only issue is\nthat instance admins (like me) may\nbe faced with this bad content on\ntheir instance. And the solution\nto that, I\'d say, is to perhaps\nhide content from local and global\nfeed, but do not ban/block users\nor content generally. If others\nwant to see that bad content via a\ndirect discovery process like search\nor a link and such, they should.\n\nModeration quickly transforms into\ncensorship. Instance admins should\nnot decide for the rest of the\nusers on their instance, what is\na good or a bad content to see."> | |
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